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Cymy |
The Dreaded Back Pain Thread III |
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Elaine2004 |
Re: Spinal Misalignments And Effects | ||
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Cymy,
Thanks for posting that. I think it is interesting to see the different areas of our spine and how they affect our body/which organs, etc. Elaine |
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Cymy |
Spinal Misalignments And Effects | ||
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Elaine,
I finally got the chart on that is a little more easy to read. I hope this one is ok. I still have the other one if you would prefer it. Cymy Sue P.S. This explains my aching knees as well as a lot of stuff I wasn't aware could come from your back problems. Thanks. |
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Elaine2004 |
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Cymy,
Looks good to me. It shows up better than the one I emailed to you. Are you doing any better with your back or about the same? I am buying that jointjuice. I don't know that it will do me any good but I am willing to try anything. Thanks again for posting this. Elaine |
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Bajaken |
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Yes, a big thanks from me too! That chart is something I have looked for in the past and it can help me when I go to the doctors office. Since there is possible neck procedures in my future I want to make sure I am as informed as possible. I wasn't so prepared when I went for my rib removal and I am now paying for it dearly for life. I have learned from my mistake and sure don't want a repeat.
Thanks for posting the chart. Ken |
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Elaine2004 |
Warning: Non-Physicians Performing Pain Procedures | ||
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Warning: Non-Physicians Performing Pain Procedures
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- There is a small but growing trend for CRNAs, PAs, Radiology Technicians, and Nurse Practitioners to practice the medical specialty of interventional pain medicine. Generally, all these groups have inferior or non-existent training compared with interventional pain physicians, believe performing a blind spinal block without fluoroscopy is no different than precision placement of steroid injections or radiofrequency denervation, and are engaging in advanced procedures without physician rated malpractice coverage (malpractice carriers tell physicians what will be covered and what will not). Some of them do this under the auspices of unscrupulous neurosurgeons that hire these ersatz pseudophysicians so the neurosurgeon can make more $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and some are hired by unscrupulous anesthesiologists/pain physicians that value the size of their wallet more than patient welfare. Some are hired by hospitals trying to lure unsuspecting victims into their "pain clinic" run by nurses or other non-physicians. There is litigation pending in several states on this front, but needless to say, the state attorney generals are not protecting patient rights until there occur a collection of disasters by these non -physicians engaging in the practice of medicine, and operating way way out of the scope of their training, education, and practice. As patients, you may protect yourself and others by: 1. ask if the person performing the procedure is board certified IN PAIN MEDICINE by the ABMS, ABPM, or AIBPM. If not, you should look elsewhere for a quality physician practitioner. These are not impossible certifications to achieve, but do require the physician demonstrate their education, training, and hands on demonstration of skills. Lazy physicians may not want to demonstrate their qualifications since no one has asked. 2. Make sure your interventionalist is a PHYSICIAN!!!!! Unscrupulous non-physicians will sometimes waltz in with a labcoat having their first and last name and no degree, introducing themselves by name. If they do not say "doctor" then ask them. If they are not a MD or DO physician, refuse to have the procedure. 3. Don't be misled by people with a PhD degree (eg. CRNA, PhD or PA, PhD.) that introduce themselves as "doctor" , and then want to proceed with performing interventional pain procedures on you. If you see PhD on their jacket without MD or DO, and the person introduces himself as "doctor", these non-physicians may be intentionally misrepresenting themselves as a physician and should immediately be reported to the state attorney general as in case your state has laws against the unlicensed practice of medicine. 4. Don't be misled by those claiming they are certified by the American Academy of Pain Management. There is no such certification. This organization that will CREDENTIAL (but not certify) nearly anyone with a BS or BA degree in a health related field that pays money to the organization, has a few years experience in some area of pain management, and takes a simple written exam. This is not CERTIFYING the person is competent, capable, trained, or experienced in pain management. It is not in the same as BOARD CERTIFICATION by the above physician certifying organizations. Be suspicious, be cautious, and take matters into your own hands. You cannot afford to permit non-physicians to perform potentially paralyzing or life threatening procedures on you. If the hospital tries to pass non-physicians off as interventional pain physicians or equals to physicians, then complain to the attorney general, the hospital board (not the CEO of the hospital since the CEO usually authorizes employment of non-physicians), and the state medical board. |
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Cymy Sue |
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Elaine & Ken,
I was doing a little better after months of doing mostly nothing or everything in less than moderation (doc's advice) I felt better and for the last couple of weeks have been doing more and more. Not real heavy work, but a little painting & cleaning.....not much, but more than I've done in a while.All seemed to be going fine and then the last couple of days, I'm back to awful leg and back pain. Could this be something new or did I finally do enough to aggravate muscles and nerves to the point of bad pain? My legs feel like they did when we moved last year and I found out how much damage I had in my back. I guess I'm just asking for reassurance that it's still the same problem and most important, if I take it easy for a while, this pain will come down a notch or two... Cymy Sue |
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Wow....I didn't realize I had not come back and updated this thread.
Shortly after this post, my right knee swelled about the size of a basketball. I went to an orthopedist/surgeon and after an MRI, he said I had some worn menicus and needed a minor arthroscopic procedure to fix it....... I'm going to continue this story of my knee surgeries on a seperate topic so more people will see it. It could prevent someone else from having a damaging knee surgery, needing a second and ending up with a bad knee which continues to aggravate my back problems. I'm doing fairly well with my back. I'm started seeing a "Physical Medicine" Doctor last March. His resume will bowl you over and he's helped me so much. I do have to have ESI's and I've had some PT. He treats with ESI's, Triggerpoint injections, Rehab & PT. I've had 3 ESI's in the past year and he thinks that's very good for me with the amount of DDD I have. I was surpised these helped since all of those I had 6-8 years ago did very little and I had only one bad disc. I've been told, they've come a long way in the last 3 years or so in treating back pain with ESI's. That does seem to be true. I'm not an advocate for ESI's. They use strong steroids and everone has to make that decision. However, for me it was a have to. I get to the point of not being able to walk without intolerable pain and weakness in my legs. I intend to stay on my feet as long as possible, so I have to use this therapy....there is nothing else. Cymy Sue |
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Elaine2004 |
More Information | ||
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Reading on Cervical issues today so thought I would post this.
Bone spurs are largely responsible for limitations in joint motion. The reason for bone spur formation is the body's attempt to increase the surface area of a joint to better distribute weight across a joint surface that has been damaged by arthritis or other conditions. Unfortunately, this is largely wasted effort by our body as the bone spur can become restrictive and painful. Bone spurs are a signal of an underlying problem that often needs to be addressed. It isn't clear what causes bone spurs, but doctors believe they occur in reaction to changes in your joints due to diseases and aging - most commonly osteoarthritis. SymptomsWhere your bone spurs are located determines where you'll feel pain and whether you'll experience any other signs or symptoms. For instance, bones spurs on the bones of your spine can push against your nerves causing intermittent or constant pain. CausesAs osteoarthritis breaks down the cartilage in your joint, your body attempts to repair the loss. Often this means creating new areas of bone along the edges of your existing bones. Your body may also create bone spurs to add stability to aging joints. Bone spurs are the hallmark of other diseases and conditions, including:
ComplicationsBone spurs can break off from the larger bone, becoming what doctors call loose bodies. Often bone spurs that have become loose bodies will float in your joint or become embedded in the lining of the joint (synovium). Loose bodies can drift into the areas in between the bones that make up your joint, getting in the way and causing intermittent locking - a sensation that something is preventing you from moving your joint. This joint locking can come and go as the loose bodies move into and out of the way of your joint.
Causes of WhiplashThe most common whiplash injuries occur when a motor vehicle is struck from behind, causing the occupant's body to thrust forward as the head snaps back and then forward until the chin strikes the chest. This violent motion, which can happen several times in quick succession, inspired the descriptive term "whiplash." Although front-end and side collisions wrench the head and neck in different ways, they can produce similar neck sprains. Any of these motions can hyperextend the neck beyond its normal range of motion, damaging muscle, ligaments, and connective tissue - and sometimes other structures as well. Prior to 1969, when automobile headrests became standard equipment, there was nothing to limit back-and-forth head movement in a rear-end collision. Although properly positioned headrests can reduce the incidence of neck pain after rear-end collisions, these injuries still occur. Symptoms of WhiplashResearchers have identified a broad spectrum of injuries and symptoms associated with whiplash. In most cases, soft tissues, mainly muscles and ligaments, cause pain because they have been stretched beyond normal limits. On occasion, they may bleed or even tear. In a few instances, violent whiplash motion can squeeze the discs of the cervical spine so hard that they herniate and press on a nerve. Spinal vertebrae can also be knocked painfully out of alignment. The most common form of whiplash injury is neck strain that manifests as temporary pain and stiffness. One may not feel significant discomfort until several days after the accident. Then the pain may gradually intensify, moving to the back of the head, chest muscles and one or both shoulders and upper arms. The person may complain of hoarseness and have difficulty in swallowing. The neck typically feels tender, swollen and hurts when turned from side to side. Some people also experience muscle spasms. Those who sustain head injuries may have episodes of blurred vision, ringing or buzzing in the ears and dizziness. More serious whiplash injuries may involve damage to blood vessels, nerves or the spine.
Bulging discs are not uncommon, and frequently are displayed on MRIs as an abnormality for both young and older adults. Having a bulging disc is not necessarily a serious concern, and it may not even cause back pain. Bulging most likely happens as the body ages and degeneration of the intervertebral disc occurs. A bulging disc is formed when the soft, spongy center of the disc, the nucleus pulposus, pushes out and places pressure on the outer surrounding fibrous ligament, the annulus fibrosis that contains the center. Unlike a herniated disc, the bulging disc still contains the nucleus material. A bulging disc can be problematic when the protrusion against the annulus enters into the space of the spinal canal. If bone spurs form on the facet joints behind the bulging disc, the combination of the bulging and spur growth can narrow the spinal canal. This occurrence is referred to as spinal stenosis. Disc disorders are contained or non-contained. A bulging disc is an example of a contained disc disorder. A bulging disc has not broken open; the nucleus pulposus remains contained within the anulus fibrosus. A bulging disc could be compared to a volcano prior to eruption and may be a precursor to herniation. The disc may protrude into the spinal canal without breaking open. The gel-like interior (nucleus pulposus) does not leak out. The disc remains intact except a small bubble pops out attached to the disc. A non-contained disc is one that has either partially or completely broken open; a herniated or ruptured disc. To illustrate imagine a tube (anulus fibrosus) of toothpaste (nucleus pulposus) placed under pressure. The pressure causes the toothpaste within the tube to move wherever it can. If any part of the tube is weak toothpaste may leak out. When a disc herniates the contents may spread out to the spinal cord and nerves. The disc material has little space to go --- into the area occupied by the spinal canal and nerve roots. Returning to the leaky tube of toothpaste, the disc's gel-like nucleus contains a chemical that irritates the nerves causing them to swell. After the chemical agent has done its job, the remnants of the chemical remain and continue to press on the irritated and swollen nerves. To complicate matters, sometimes fragments from the anulus (tire-like outer disc wall) break away from the parent disc and drift into the spinal canal. These free fragments may travel in the spinal canal. Depending on the type of injury and the condition of the discs, more than one disc may herniate, rupture, or bulge. Sometimes injury causes a combination of disc disorders TMJ Surgeries 1978, 1989, 1997
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