Does anyone find this true for them or are you're clenching/grinding experiences more related to bite issues/anxiety/stress?
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Caletera1 |
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Hi guys! It's been a long time, but I finally decided to get off the amitriptyline I had been on for clenching/grinding my teeth. It was so interfering
with my energy level during the day. I've realized something and I don't know if it holds true for you all as well. I think I clench my teeth when I
have excess energy to burn--not related to worry, anxiety, etc. I simply didn't use up all my energy during the day. I'm up now at 1 am since I woke
up, after not going to the gym today, feeling like I drank a cup of coffee instead of chamomile tea.
Does anyone find this true for them or are you're clenching/grinding experiences more related to bite issues/anxiety/stress? |
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Cymy Sue |
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Caletera,
■Anxiety, stress or tension
■Damage to your teeth (including restorations and crowns) or jaw
■Reduce stress. Listening to music, taking a warm bath or exercising can help relax you and may reduce your risk of developing bruxism.
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05/28/09 04:02:06.
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lu jones |
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I know I am a grinder. Wish I could stop. Lu
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Caletera1 |
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Thanks! I'm so sick of people telling me it must be anxiety. I've been an 'anxious' person all my life, but I don't feel anxious at all. I
clenched my teeth when I was young too, I clenched my teeth at Disneyworld!(obviously not anxiety there XD). I noticed they said 'hyperactive
personality', which does fit in to my too much energy theory. I'm very thin, totally underweight despite the fact that I eat an enormous amount and
always have been, and I can be very energetic and run around a lot. My guess if I don't burn off that extra energy, A. I grind and B. I disrupt my sleeping
cycle with causes you to grind more. I read a couple studies that mentioned that you grind when you're in light sleep, as opposed to REM or deep sleep and
that it could be linked to a sleep disorder. If you're in deep sleep, you're body relaxes completely and technically can't grind. You can't
move!
I wonder how many TMJers or Grinders have sleep issues. I've always been a very light sleeper, birds wake me up and make me murderous, a slight catch in the fan or the A/C to disrupt the white noise. I was thinking of getting one of those machines that tells you if you grind but I wasn't sure. I think I'll try it as my last resort! I do sleep alone. As an herbalist I was thinking of different relaxing herbal teas to drink before bed, but so far it hasn't helped (chamomile, lemon balm). Which to me, means it's not an anxiety issue. |
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lu jones |
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I have sleep apnea. iT might be good to be checked for that.Lu
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Robin |
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I was also a grinder, and the mouth plates that one wears at night made me clench even more. One thing I learned was that during the day and while falling
asleep at night, keep lips together but do not touch teeth together or touch tongue to top of mouth. I practice this while practicing piano (used to really
clench for that) and the more I keep aware of it, the less I clench. It really works.
As to being a light sleeper, I am as well. I purchased a noise machine years ago and it helps tremendously at cutting out or covering up all the ambient noises that go on in the night, especially living in the city. Good luck with everything. The calming tea sounds like a wonderful idea. I have a lemon balm plant in my garden; how do you prepare the tea when fresh? |
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Caletera1 |
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I had the mouth plate and they made me clench more too! I woke up with my jaw locked and dislocated. I have a noise machine(so helpful!) and earplugs and a
fan to help, but I might need heavy duty earplugs or something. The tea is simple! 1-2 tsp of herb(2 if it's fresh, 1 if it's dried) to a cup of water,
and let it steep for at least 15 minutes to even overnight. And then just strain it out and reheat. I'm going to try some different calming herbs, scullcap
is next for me and then some passionflower and valerian. But I'm hoping running will help.
Problem is I'm recovering from a knee injury so I have limits as to how far I can walk/run right now. I'll try your suggestion of keeping my teeth apart, thanks! Don't you have to snore to have sleep apnea? |
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Michelle Denise |
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It is good to hear from you Caletera and your experience. It is important people check back in to us, so we can have documented life experiences to help
others. I am very sorry that you are experiencing difficulty again with the TMJ.
I thought I would let you know that I tried the Alarm that wakes you up if you grind called Grind Alert. I was at my wits end and purchased it and I didn't have any success with it. It would go off, but I was so asleep that I wouldn't wake up. My husband did wake me up to let me know it was going off, but when I feel asleep I would go back to grinding. I have had more luck from medications such as Klonipin and muscle relaxers. I take them at bedtime and it tends to relax me. I also try to keep my stress as low as I can. That seems to be the key to my grinding is excess stress. I know everyone is very different and each individual needs to find out what their "trigger" are for them. I think it can be very different for everyone. I have heard some people take Melatonin a natural sleep aid that helps light sleepers get into a more deep "relaxing" sleep. I am not sure if you have tried it or not. I thought I would mention it. I have taken it before I started on medication. It did indeed help me sleep much better, but I have medication now. I have a hard enough time getting up and don't need any additional sleep aides. My husband is very active and he has to go outside and work all evening in the yard during the summer hours to burn off his excess energy since he sits in an office all day. He also calms down with tea and reading right before bed. I am just throwing out some ideas to you. I don't know if they will be helpful, but I thought I would try. Please let us know how you are doing. Best wishes, Michelle
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Caletera1 |
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Thanks I'll give it a shot! I actually had really good luck with amitriptlyine but it made me so tired I just quit. Which is of course when I started
having grinding issues again.
But, while this isn't a solution, it is interesting, I thought I'd post it. This is from an abstract of an article i found on pubmed. I left the PMID # in case anyone wanted to look up the article. The relationship between sleep bruxism behavior and salivary stress biomarker level. PURPOSE: Bruxism and parafunctions are potential risk factors for implant and prosthodontic treatment failure. However, the etiology of bruxism remains unknown. This study sought to clarify the relationship between bruxism behavior and a salivary stress biomarker level. MATERIALS AND METHODS: Forty-six volunteers (23 men, 23 women) participated in this study. Bruxism behavior was assessed using a self-administered questionnaire, study casts, and BiteStrip, a miniature electronic screener used to detect sleep bruxism. The questionnaire consisted of six items asking about bruxism, occlusion, jaw functional limitation, and dentition. Occlusal wear was assessed from dental casts and calculated as the sum of the facets in the maxillary arch segment. Participants used BiteStrip at home for one night and the score was evaluated. Two-minute stimulated whole saliva samples were collected from participants to measure daytime levels of chromogranin A (CgA), a major salivary stress biomarker. Nonparametric tests of the relationship between variables were performed using the Spearman R and Kendall tau statistical correlation tests. RESULTS: There was a positive correlation between self-reported bruxism and self-reported jaw functional limitation. Occlusal wear did not significantly correlate with occlusion, jaw functional limitation, or dentition, but it did significantly correlate with self-reported bruxism behavior, as well as the BiteStrip score. It was interesting to find that the CgA level was significantly negative in correlation with the BiteStrip score. CONCLUSION: Sleep bruxism is believed to be a stress-related sleep disorder. The results suggest that daytime psychological stress level is significantly negative in correlation with sleep bruxism behavior. PMID: 19260426 |
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Caletera1 |
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Just a quick note that I tried skullcap tea before bed, and I didn't grind! It might have been just a night when I didn't grind, but I'm going to
keep it up and see. Just a note: you may have read reports that skullcap is related to liver failure. It's not. This was due to a company/companies who
weren't trained in botony and thought germander(a plant that apparently looks a lot like skullcap if you're not trained in plant recognition,
personally I think they look completely different--Germander has pink flowers, skullcap has purple) was skullcap. In fact, Germander DOES cause liver failure.
(Don't people know not to pick plants if they're not 100% sure what they are!?)
Skullcap is used in herbal medicine as a nervine for a tonic for the nervous system, and helping with anxiety. But it's also good for epilesy and seizure states, as well as restless sleep, which I thought would make it perfect for TMJ/Grinding(anti-stress for anyone that does make a difference, Grinding being uncontrollble muscle movements and restless sleep, which some posters here have, including me). I'll keep it up and let you know, but Skullcap is one of the best herbs I've used for myself to relax if I get panicy. It's a great sedative. But I know people that swear by lavender and lemon balm, it just depends on who you are and what works for you. http://www.healthy.net/scr/article.asp?ID=1458 Materia Medica on Skullcap |
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Michelle Denise |
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Thank you for posting additional information on the board that relates to TMJ. I am always interested in seeing/hearing new information. Keep us posted on
your progress!
Thanks, Michelle
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Cymy |
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Dave,
Thanks for your post. I see you've made the rounds with this ad. Most TMJ patients have been aware of this type appliance for as long as they've been available For most of us, they don't work and in many cases, they are damaging. Most TMJD patients need a custom made appliance or splint designed by a highly trained and knowledgeable Doctor. This involves a professional determining the extent of the problem and possible damage to the joints. Sometimes, even highly trained professionals use the wrong appliance and cause the patient further problems. I can assure you that every "over the counter" or "online" one-size-fits-all guard has been tried and researched for years by people who suffer TMJD. This is done due to insurance companies refusing to pay for quality treatment for an ailment that literally ruins lives. Hard and soft plastic mouth guards have been made by Medical & Dental professionals for decades. Unless they have the unique ablility and knowledge to know what each individual needs, it's a waste of time and money and they rarely prevent grinding and clenching. They sometimes protect your teeth from these habits. I've been in some type of treatment for TMJD for over 30 years. I wear a splint now at night and probably always will. It inhibits clenching and keeps the muscles relaxed. It was made by a Dentist who probably knows as much about TMJD, the mechanics of the jaw joints and supporting muscles as anyone alive. I would advise anyone who needs help to find someone with his training and qualifications. Also, I've talked to hundreds of people in numerous groups and forums over the past 10 years and never found anyone who was helped by this type mouth guard. I would not advise anyone to try one, but I'm not a professional. I am an experienced patient and have dealt with TMJD for most of my life. I've tried almost everything available for relief of pain and symptoms. Thanks for stopping by. Cymy BTW, I taught myself to stop bruxing or grinding many years ago. It's not that hard if you are committed. |
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Michelle Denise |
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Dentaladvisor2,
I have to agree with Cymy about over-the-counter/one-size-fits-all mouth piece. There is so much difference in each person's bite that I can't possibly see how these devices would work for everyone or anyone. I was advised NOT to use an over-the-counter mold able mouthpiece by my dentist. If a mouthpiece is too big it can end up stretching a person's joints beyond repair among many other adverse affects. A custom mouthpiece or splint is the best treatment we have at this time. I feel by suggesting this device works you are bringing harm to individuals searching for answers, so I am duty bound as a TMJ patient of 16 years to say I think this device would create more problems than it could ever solve. This device is NOT the answer for TMJD patients.
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mumssie |
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Hey ladies! Just reading back on old posts, since I haven't been around lately. I too, like Robin, had to quit wearing my
splint. I found that when I woke up in the morning I was biting down so hard on that thing, could hardly open my mouth. I also grind, in which my husband usually jabs me and tells me so!! ha ha Alot of time it is when I first start falling asleep, and don't even realize I'm doing it. Isn't that weird? I've been exercising a lot since August and that does seem to help with the grinding. Then again, I am a mom of 3 children at home...so that's stress enough to make anyone grind!! ha ha ha Especially when they were home for 2 weeks on Christmas break! I take Klonopin (sp?) every night before bed and that has helped me. I took Elavil for a couple of years and slept like a ROCK, but I could hardly wake up in the morning!! Felt like I had a hang-over. Klonopin doesn't do that to me at all. Hope that helps somebody! Becky |
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Michelle Denise |
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Thanks Becky for your input I am sure it will help someone.
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luckeechick |
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I have chewed right through every splint and mouth guard I have ever had except for the last one and it ended up messing me up so bad I swore I'd never try another if I got over what that one did to me.
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Michelle Denise |
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Splints work for a lot of people but not everybody. I have heard a lot of people get relief from massage therapy. Have you tried anything like that for the symptoms TMJ tends to leave you with such as sore neck and shoulders (for example)? We have one lady on here that gets accupuncture.
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